Not quite sure how I feel about needing the collar for the revelation arrows. I love the 60gr point weight, but not liking the fact I must use the collar with these points. This adds 20gr up front that I don't want/need. I sent a message to BlackEagle last week to see if I can trim the points down, but no reply yet. As of now, these are too heavy for my light draw weight outdoor set up. They tune nicely if I shoot them indoors, but that defeats the purpose of purchasing light, skinny outdoor arrows.